2006-11-05 [Hedda]: No comments yet? Lazy Elftowners! It's many minutes since I announced this project! ;)

2006-11-05 [Ariandra]: Count me in! This is something that I studied with our son when I homeschooled him last year! I'll have to dig out our resources though since we were packed for a move. 

2006-11-05 [Elisha Kelly]: looks kinda interesting... :P

2006-11-05 [Elisha Kelly]: http://www.winshop.com.au/annew/Pegasus.html ----> this is mainly about the constellation, but it also contains The history of pegasus :)

2006-11-05 [stevedoyle]: I wrote a couple of poems that you can have if you want them. Pegasus - SGD and The Birth of Pegasus - SGD In a comment on the second one, I explain the legend behind the birth.

2006-11-05 [Hedda]: Thanks [Elisha Kelly] and [stevedoyle]!

2006-11-05 [Elisha Kelly]: your welcome :)

2006-11-06 [5thwitch]: I'm searching for pegasus rapresentation in classic art!

2006-11-07 [Sylvia Rote]: How about how pegasus in the movies? Such as "Clash of the Titans". I actually know that movie and the Greek myth it is based on by heart, and Pegasus was an important aspect of it. Though the movie does not follow the Greek myth, of course.

2006-11-07 [Hedda]: [Sylvia Rote]: Write something on pegasus in movies? If you know the names of the movies, you can give links to their pages on www.imdb.com too.

2006-11-07 [Sylvia Rote]: Should I post just one link on the movies page?

2006-11-07 [Hedda]: What do you mean? Post as many movies as you can. Or add an alternative URL for the movie too.

2006-11-07 [Sylvia Rote]: Well I mean more than one link for the same movie, becuase I know two good sites for movie information and reviews.

2006-11-07 [Guardian]: We studied the Pegasus from Edith Hamilton's Mythology. According to legend, Pegasus was born when Perseus beheaded Medusa. Bellerophon tamed Pegasus to serve as his steed during his travels, which include his famous slaying of the Chimaera. When he tried to fly Pegasus to Mount Olympus he was taken off Pegasus by Zeus. Pegasus continued on and made it to Mount Olympus, where he would remain as a carrier for Zeus' thunderbolts. Other myths say that Pegasus threw Bellerophan off and flew into the skies to become a constellation. --> Would this go in classic literature?

2006-11-07 [lyubomir]: In Greek mythology, Pegasus (Greek: Πήγασος (Pégasos)) was a winged horse that was the son of Poseidon, in his role as horse-god, and the Gorgon Medusa. Depending on the historical source, the plural for pegasus is pegasi or pegasuses.
Descriptions vary as to the winged stallion's birth and his brother the giant, Chrysaor; some say that they sprang from Medusa's neck as Perseus beheaded her, a "higher" birth, like the birth of Athena from the head of Zeus. Others says that they were born of the earth as Medusa's blood spilled onto it, in which case Poseidon would not be their sire. Athena caught and tamed Pegasus, and presented him to the Muses at Parnassus.

Hesiod connects the name Pegasos with the word for "spring, well", pēgē; everywhere the winged horse struck hoof to earth, an inspiring spring burst forth: one on the Muses' Mount Helicon, the Hippocrene ("horse spring"), at the behest of Poseidon to prevent the mountain swelling too much and another at Troezen. The actual etymology of the name is most likely from Luwian pihassas "lightning", or pihassasas, a weather god (the god of lightning). In Hesiod, Pegasos is still associated with this original significance by carrying the thunderbolts for Zeus.
Pegasus aided the hero Bellerophon, who is a double in some way for Perseus, in his fight against both the Chimera and the Amazons. There are varying tales as to how Bellerophon found Pegasus; some say that the hero found him drinking at the Pierian spring and that Polyidus told Bellerophon how to find and tame him, others that either Athena or Poseidon brought him to Bellerophon.

Prior to aiding Bellerophon, Pegasus brought thunderbolts to Zeus, and following Bellerophon's death he returned to Mount Olympus to aid the gods. In his later life, Pegasus took a wife, Euippe (or Ocyrrhoe) This family is the origin of the winged horses.

Pegasus was eventually turned into a constellation, but a single feather fell to the earth near the city of Tarsus (hence its name).

The word "pegasus" is sometimes used to refer to any winged horse.

...and:
http://www.linsdomain.com/totems/pages/pegasus.htm
http://www.ufrsd.net/staffwww/stefanl/myths/pegasus.htm

2006-11-08 [Skydancer]: Hmm Pegasus is in the film "Clash of the Titans" http://www.amazon.com/Clash-Titans-Harry-Hamlin/dp/customer-reviews/B00005JKO7

2006-11-08 [Skydancer]: ENCYCLOPEDIA

PE′GASUS (Pêgasos). The famous winged horse, whose origin is thus related. When Perseus struck off the head of Medusa, with whom Poseidon had had intercourse in the form of a horse or a bird, there sprang forth from her Chrysaor and the horse Pegasus. The latter obtained the name Pegasus because he was believed to have made his appearance near the sources (pêgai) of Oceanus. Pegasus rose up to the seats of the immortals, and afterwards lived in the palace of Zeus, for whom he carried thunder and lightning (Hes. Theog. 281, &c.; Apollod. ii. 3. § 2, 4. § 2 ; Schol. ad Aristoph. Pac. 722; comp. Ov. Met. iv. 781, &c. vi. 119). According to this view, which is apparently the most ancient, Pegasus was the thundering horse of Zeus; but later writers describe him as the horse of Eos (Schol. ad Hom. Il. vi. 155; Tzetz. ad Lyc. 17), and place him among the stars as the heavenly horse (Arat. Phaen. 205, &c.; Hygin. Poet. Astr. ii. 18 Ov. Fast. iii. 457, &c.).

Pegasus also acts a prominent part in the fight of Bellerophon against the Chimaera (Hes. Theog. 325; Apollod. ii. 3. § 2). After Bellerophon had tried and suffered much to obtain possession of Pegasus for his fight against the Chimaera, he consuited the soothsayer Polyidus at Corinth. The latter advised him to spend a night in the temple of Athena, and, as Bellerophon was sleeping, the goddess appeared to him in a dream, commanding him to sacrifice to Poseidon, and gave him a golden bridle. When he awoke he found the bridle, offered the sacrifice, and caught Pegasus, who was drinking at the well Peirene (Pind. Ol. xiii. 90, &c. with the Schol.; Strab. viii. p. 379). According to some Athena herself tamed and bridled Pegasus, and surrendered him to Bellerophon (Paus. ii. 4. § 1), or Bellerophon received Pegasus from his own father Poseidon (Schol. ad Hom. Il. vi. 155). After he had conquered the Chimaera (Pindar says that he also conquered the Amazons and the Solymi, Ol. xiii. 125), he endeavoured to rise up to heaven with his winged horse, but fell down upon the earth, either from fear or from giddiness, or being thrown off by Pegasus, who was rendered furious by a gad-fly which Zeus had sent. But Pegasus continued his flight (Hygin. Poet. Astr. ii. 18 ; Pind. Isthm. vii. 6; Tzetz. ad Lyc. 17; Eustath. ad Hom. p. 636). Whether Hesiod considered Pegasus as a winged horse, cannot be inferred with certainty from the word apoptamenose; but Pindar, Euripides, and the other later writers, expressly mention his wings.

Pegasus lastly was also regarded as the horse of the Muses, and in this capacity he is more celebrated in modern times than he ever was in antiquity ; for with the ancients he had no connection with the Muses, except that by his hoof he called forth the inspiring well Hippocrene. The story about this well runs as follows. When the nine Muses engaged in a contest with the nine daughters of Pierus on Mount Helicon, all became darkness when the daughters of Pierus began to sing ; whereas during the song of the Muses, heaven, the sea, and all the rivers stood still to listen, and Helicon rose heavenward with delight, until Pegasus, on the advice of Poseidon, stopped its rising by kicking it with his hoof (Anton. Lib. 9); and from this kick there arose Hippocrene, the inspiring well of the Muses, on Mount Helicon, which, for this reason, Persius (Prol. 1) calls fons caballinus (Ov. Met. v. 256). Others again relate that Pegasus caused the well to gush forth because he was thirsty; and in other parts of Greece also similar wells were believed to have been called forth by Pegasus, such as Hippocrene, at Troezene, and Peirene, near Corinth (Paus. ii. 31. § 12; Stat. Theb iv. 60). Pegasus is often seen represented in ancient works of art and on coins along with Athena and Bellerophon.

Source: Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. C19th Classics Encyclopedia.

from http://www.theoi.com/Ther/HipposPegasos.html

2006-11-09 [Dark Side of the Moon]: [Hedda], I went ahead and added the links from the comment area (so that they wouldn't get buried in comments and lost) to the list of links on the wiki page and added a couple of my own as well. Question though: for the writing wikis, does the usual UAR apply for images (inlining, free art, etc.)? I've got a couple that I've found in MS Clipart that I would like to use.

2006-11-13 [xido]: Holy monkeys, this is an astounding amount of info on the pegasus! I am impressed. :D

I am mostly involved with the Wizards/D&D rendition of the creatures, but this is surely a diverse and informed conglomeration of data, both Earth mythology-based and fantastic in nature. I am also impressed with the amount of legal referencing that has taken place here. It makes it less controversial as a documentable resource.

Great links!
-will

2006-11-13 [xido]: I was really impressed by the fact that the pegasus was the child of medusa... weird.

I added to pegasus anatomy, and the RPG page, plus some tidbits to the movie section.
-will

2006-11-13 [Elisha Kelly]: that is an awesome anatomical wiki [xido]!!!!!

2006-11-13 [xido]: Thanks buddy, I'm glad you like it. ;)
I just want to be able to help out as much as I can. This is for a good cause, so I would love to see the first creature do well, and inspire others to do the same in the future. ;D

I also hope the APA format reference for D&D will work for RPG data.
-will

2006-11-13 [Elisha Kelly]: :) well the detail is great...

2006-11-13 [Dark Side of the Moon]: asking my question again if anyone can help: for the writing wikis for this, does the usual UAR apply for images (inlining, free art, etc.)? I've got a couple images that I've found in MS Clipart that I would like to use. If someone could let me know I would appreciate it!

2006-11-13 [xido]: Because of the way it was worded by Hedda in the main page rules, I felt that the only space that I could include a non-unique image was in the RPG Pegasus section, where I posted an image specifically created by D&D for D&D, and accompanying D&D info... I would have to say that the UAR rules apply in this way, and it should be your own image...
But that is not to say that you could not use the clip art as an inspiration for your own drawing/painting/etc.
That is how I interpreted the rules laid out.
-will

2006-11-13 [Dark Side of the Moon]: 'preciate it! Thanks! :)

2006-11-14 [Skydancer]: http://www.art-arena.com/mccormick6.htm

2006-11-14 [Skydancer]: http://www.everypoet.com/archive/poetry/robert_burns/Robert_Burns_Poems_Pegasus_At_Wanlockhead.htm

2006-11-14 [Skydancer]: http://www.everypoet.com/Archive/Poetry/Henry_Wadsworth_Longfellow/longfellow_seaside_and_fireside_pegasus_in_pound.htm

2006-11-14 [Skydancer]: http://www.poetrytherapy.org/pegasus.html

2006-11-14 [Skydancer]: http://www.ringsurf.com/netring?action=info&ring=wbpegasus

2006-11-14 [xido]: [Elisha Kelly], [stevedoyle], [Sylvia Rote], [Guardian], [lyubomir], [Skydancer], and [Dark Side of the Moon], you are all very excellent workers, and I can see that this wiki is certainly going to be worth the work. Now what will be hard is deciding which one of the contributors will be the winner of being most helpful... Everything here is amazing help!
-will

2006-11-28 [lyubomir]: mmm [Skydancer] ??? ...i think ^^

2006-11-28 [Guardian]: Yeah, probably [Skydancer]

2006-11-28 [Hedda]: http://www.ringsurf.com/netring?action=info&ring=wbpegasus Do you know what that is? It seems pretty useless to me.

2006-11-28 [Hedda]: [Dark Side of the Moon]: No, you don't have to follow all uploading art rules. But the images have to follow copyright-laws, so unless you have permission to use the image, we can't use it.

And if it breaks uploading art rules, it can't of course be uploaded to your house, but direct to a wiki-page by someone with those privs.

But: It's very rare to find images that are free to use, so you can almost give up that search and only use your own images. Even if you do find images where it's written that you can use them, it's often just someone who have copied them who says that. Maybe there are advertising material that we can use though.

2006-11-28 [Skydancer]: You could perhaps find images from museums. Since this is an editorial rather than art wiki project, other than the original art contributions by the ET artists of course. The copy right rules are a little different for editorial usage as long as you provide proper attribution and it is for educational purposes.

2006-11-29 [xido]: "Hedda: http://www.ringsurf.com/netring?action=info&ring=wbpegasus Do you know what that is? It seems pretty useless to me."

This is true, but like I did with TriStar Pictures, which used a pegasus in their logo, it could be added to that page as web media, and corporate image/design usage including the creature. It is a viable bit of web to have on hand in certain conditions. *shrugs*

And anyone who remembers any movie beginning with the TriStar logo throughout those years remembers how cutting edge it was for its day. ;D
-will

2006-12-06 [lyubomir]: http://www.moonmoth.demon.co.uk/pegasos_coins.html - Pegasus on ancien coins.

2006-12-11 [xido]: Wow, great link, and a wonderful tie-in from fantasy to reality! Nice work, [lyubomir]!
Added!
-will

2006-12-11 [lyubomir]: thanks :)

2006-12-12 [Hedda]: I made an update of Pegasus like it might be going to look. (I just picked on of the submissions of the art as that competition isn't over yet.)

Please protest if you think it should look differntly

2006-12-12 [Dark Side of the Moon]: I think it looks great [Hedda]!

2006-12-12 [Sunrose]: The only problem I see is that those links might become useless if they die :/

2006-12-12 [Hedda]: At least the Wikipedia-links should be pretty permanent. I think the others can be trusted to be there for a long time too. Otherwise they will be reported as broken and we'll fix ;)

2006-12-12 [Dark Side of the Moon]: Maybe I can check the links for it every four months or so and report any broken ones. 

2006-12-12 [Sunrose]: My main concern though is for the information to be lost :(

2006-12-12 [Dark Side of the Moon]: Maybe what I could do is keep a reference wiki with these links on it and state after the link roughly what the web page contains. If the link breaks I could search for another to replace it. What do you think?

2006-12-12 [Artsieladie]: I don't know if any of this can be useful, but I did a write-up in my diary regarding the creation of Pegasus, if anyone would like to read it to see if it can be useful, go to: <diary:885974> I knew there was more to the Pegasus than just white. I think I'll be making a Pegasus as descibed in my write-up. :D

2006-12-20 [xido]: Hedda: "...But: It's very rare to find images that are free to use, so you can almost give up that search and only use your own images. Even if you do find images where it's written that you can use them, it's often just someone who have copied them who says that. Maybe there are advertising material that we can use though."

Skydancer: "You could perhaps find images from museums. Since this is an editorial rather than art wiki project, other than the original art contributions by the ET artists of course. The copy right rules are a little different for editorial usage as long as you provide proper attribution and it is for educational purposes."

I have an idea. This page is, in fact, an educational page, so Skydancer is correct in his definition of the actions of the page. I have recently prepared portions of the informational page on referencing works professionally on APA Formatting, after having to APA format every essay I've written for my online college courses (APA = American Psychological Association, who use this referencing method in a professional manner).

What is any cited work that is posted here becomes discretionarily negated if it cannot be properly cited. We now have more than our fair share of information to say that it is required, so it's an idea for keeping the page's integrity intact, and still providing open web information.

Let me know if you have any other ideas on this.

Hedda: "I made an update of Pegasus like it might be going to look. (I just picked on of the submissions of the art as that competition isn't over yet.)

"Please protest if you think it should look differntly "

2006-12-12 Ir-Iddyn: "I think it looks great [Hedda]!"

I protest. I am also proactively taking the duty of formatting it. It will be done soon. I listed the people who I saw contribute, and it sounds like [Skydancer] was named by the contributors as he who wins the prize... (Am I wrong?) So, [Hedda], could that be your call to make, and I'll do my part working on the page format and the Creature_List renovations, as in compliance with [Angel Dreamer]'s wishes?

M'lady, it is a wonderful diary posting. If hedda agrees, I think you should post it to whichever portion of the pegasus pages you think it would fit. I will format around you. ;)
-will

2006-12-20 [Artsieladie]: Actually, the diary entry has been improved upon & it's now all on: *Artsie's* Pegasus - The Great Winged One, including the links to my Pegasus images. (As you know...) I'll take another look & get back to you on it. :D

2006-12-25 [windowframe]: SilverFire Pegasus

2006-12-30 [windowframe]: I'm assumign since I can't find any info about it anywhere, that I can simply add the link to my introduction to the appropriate place on the page? Also... "It's just just you against the rest of the team' Is that supposed to be 'it's not just you', or 'it's just you'?

2006-12-30 [Sunrose]: 'it's not just you'
Fixed! :)

2006-12-30 [Artsieladie]: I'd be willing to help with writing. I put together a mini wiki consisting of a little writing, my images of Pegasus & I wrote a poem. If I can help out with any graphics, I'd be willing to, as well. *winks at [xido]*  *Artsie's* Pegasus - The Great Winged One 

2006-12-31 [Artsieladie]: Is there a reason why there are no keywords typed in for this page? I was wondering why I couldn't find this page. 

2007-02-14 [xido]: I hardly every get around to putting keywords on all of my favorite pages.... Not sure why that happened here, but it will taken care of in the next session, ECM Vampire.

2007-02-14 [Hedda]: [Artsieladie]: I forgot about it. You could find it with the Google search on bottom of the page anyway. That generally works much better than the built in wiki-search.

2007-02-14 [Artsieladie]: Dah, me! I never thought about trying that to find a wiki page internally. I'm so used to using the keyword/search feature, I guess. Thanks for the reminder! :D 

Question: Is all of the text (info) regarding Pegasus going to be combined on one page or no? :P If so, I'd be willing to work on putting it altogether. :)

2007-02-14 [windowframe]: I'd also like to help with that...

2007-02-14 [Artsieladie]: *grins at [windowframe]* I think working together is always good! 

2007-02-15 [xido]: I think it is already compiled on Pegasus.
-will

2007-02-15 [Artsieladie]: Oh, doesn't seem like all that much, but if that's what's wanted, I'm not going to go against it. :P

2007-02-15 [windowframe]: That's seems very odd - since that text has barely changed since the start of the marathon - what was the point in anyone else doing any work, if that was the text to be used all along?

2007-02-15 [Hedda]: If you have a better idea of what to put there, please do. But try to keep the start short and the further information lower below or on separate wiki-pages. And don't put the same information in many places...

You can always make suggestions.

2007-02-15 [windowframe]: Suggestion: the current text reads as if there is one definitive pegasus myth - there just isn't. There are many different versions, and the text we have doesn't reflect that. 

There is also nothing of his capture by Bellerophon.

(I thought the whole point of us creating pages such as SilverFire Pegasus was to show what information we thought should be there...)

2007-02-17 [xido]: Silvie, please feel free to make updates to that page, and I will check in on it from time to time to see that it is up to par. Another major reason for the separated pages was not simply for that reason, but also to make it easier for the moderators to see who did what and where. I am sure that the Creature_List pages will be a continuing resource project, much like the wikipages in wikipedia... They are ongoing as well. Since you are a Master Wikimancer, would you feel comfortable working with [Angel Dreamer] and [Linn Scarlett] on keeping these CL pages up to par and under watch? I am sure they would appreciate a close eye on that page while they work diligently on the CL pages.  ;)
-will

2007-02-17 [windowframe]: I stalk the page already, so I don't see why not. :P

2007-02-18 [Elisha Kelly]: hmmmm... the text on the main page was supposed to be an introduction, or so I thought. Introductions should be short. I just had  a look at the pegasus page and was wondering if there should be a wiki devoted to the myth also, since there are so many different versions, as weel as winged horses appearing in other mythologies also.

2007-03-20 [xido]: Thanks, Silvie. ;)
Elysiann, that seems a wise choice. Really, this page could use just about any information you can throw at it. The page moderators will help to put it all together in the end. Any contribution is a good contribution. ;) Did you think the text on the pegasus page was not short enough?
-will

2007-03-20 [Elisha Kelly]: no it's great now, though it does rely very heavily upon the myth, giving the impression that the page is mostly about the greek Pegasus.

2007-03-21 [windowframe]: My fault, sorry. :P Studying Classics at uni, as soon as I see the word 'Pegasus' I immediately think of Greek mythology. :3

2007-03-21 [Elisha Kelly]: :P damn universarian!  XD

2007-10-29 [Artsieladie]: Just added my link & put "Outside Links - Sources:" above the 'external' links. :P